I was a Member of this Wiki from 2009-2012, it was a nice little wiki, where official projects and that had their pages, people could post ideas of creatures and plants in the My Creatures/My Plants Pages.
The People here were tightnit, and even though DarwinSong departed in 2010, and Proxima Centauri took over as an admin, he did a good fucking job.
You fucked the whole place up, and turned into your own twisted piece of shit of an excuse for a wiki, "Official Projects only"? Pff. No Wonder why this wikia is a wasteland compared to the bustling Utopia that was the Darwin-Proxima Era.
DarwinSong must be rolling in the forums he's inhabitating now, at disgust at you.
I also wouldn't put it past him not responding to this and pretending this never happened. Frankly sometimes I wonder what Citrakayah would be like if he ever checked this place out again... and to be fair Admantus has the capability to message him to do so over at Spec Evo forums.
I believe that Admantus made the best choice, you were focusing on your personal projects instead of cleaning, and improving the wiki (Thats' why the wiki is now filled with junk, and now everything is cluttered).
Not being dramatic or anything, but seeing the wiki like this breaks my heart. I thought this was just a place where people could share good ideas. What about this? We all pitch in, stop focusing on our own stuff, and actually have a go at cleaning this place up?
Everyone from the SpecEv forums says this place is dying. But it doesn't have to be. Maybe this place could be a place for giant projects and well made stuff, while the forum would also allow less detailed stuff.
I just hope I don't get banned for saying this stuff. If I do, I'll probably just give up on Spec Ev for a few months, until all this crazy, horrible stuff has washed out of my mind.
Also, did Citrakayah not greatly improve Future of The World while he was admin? I believe he is the only reason we have a desert cheetah in the project. Are you saying that admins can't work on projects? I find that to be a stupid policy.
That was what Jagger was supposed to do, but you can do it anyways. I've been on the wiki for a good amount of time and Citrakayah has never been around while I've been on the wiki, though, so he might not want to come back. Never hurts to try, though.
Well, he doesn't want to make me or KaptainWombat into admins, and probably not Jagger either, considering that Citrakayah blocked his first account, so let's just hope he stays on the wiki, otherwise we have no admins.
Interesting Jagger was banned... clearly Admantus is following this discussion. The fact that he didn't ban any of the rest of us says something positive at least.
As for it being dead, it isn't, and hasn't been for a long time (If ever.). Sure, things were a bit bleak when CItrakayah originally left, but I stayed, and the rains have come. Should such a situation come around again, wait again I will.
You could try and convince some of the forum guys to check this place out. Maybe a topic in the general discussion section. And if you don't, I will, when I get an account, in four days, and I expect your support.
Having five admins adn maybe tree bureaucrats might be a bit much unless a good ammount of people come from teh forums. I'd 1/3 of wiki population being admins and 1/4 burreaucrat at most.
Also, I repeat (To Harekiller): "You could try and convince some of the forum guys to check this place out. Maybe a topic in the general discussion section. And if you don't, I will, when I get an account, in four days, and I expect your support.", just in case it went unnoticed.
Oh and Jagger, what's with the caps? On the forums, you're all nice and mellow =P. Maybe he omitted you because you pissed him off, what with all the "you suck as an admin" and "I'll be a better admin" stuff you said to him. Just sayin'.
I think this place should be a site for quality projects only. Ideas and smaller stuff go on the forums. So we have to make that clear to any newbies thinking of posting here (by newbie I mean first time seeing the site).
Well we could consider that. I guess we could see what other members think of the idea. As for what to say to the forum members, maybe "It would greatly appriciated if you check the place out, and if you like it consider making a wikia account and joining, or if you have one, just contribute!" something along those lines. I also wouldn't give any names for the ol admins trying to purge this place, as they are on the forums, thought feel free to bring the mean admin subject up.
We are in the process of moving user made projects over to this wiki, so could you temporarily undelete specified pages? These include all Future of The World, African Black Iguana, Auster (Terra Chordata), and some of the New Pleistocene pages (although some are implausible and should be kept deleted).
You're back! Besides avoiding fights with Admantus, it helps separate good projects from bad, and helps with categorization, so we don't have to get a bot. Non-user made project pages do stay on this wiki, however.
I think that it's better for there to be a separate wiki anyway. I just have people skills. :P
Moving onto the New Pleistocene pages for clearance. Might I recommend having summaries of the projects on the other wiki here? I don't think copy/pasting the entire thing would work, but basic info could.
Definition of purge: "An abrupt or violent removal of a group of people from an organization or place.". There is no reason to do this. You don't have to stay. Citrakayah can leave this place to its fate. You guys don't have to make anybody admins. But just let us continue life on this wiki, with or without you.
"Abuse, harass, threaten or intimidate other Wikia users;" and "interfere or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site" both seem to be broken here, thought the latter is more important to the issue at hand. So yes, Wikia would support us should they be contacted.
In ancient Greece, the monarchy (in this case Proxima Centauri) was the first government in a city-state, followed by oligarchy (Admantus, Citrakayah, and Eotyrannus). In ancient Greece, good tyrants (me) took over the oligarchy, but the oligarchs (Admantus and Citrakayah) demanded their power back. After this, we are heading to the last phase of ancient Greek government (at least in Athens), the democracy.
Depending on how you look at it, it is about speculative evolution. And you cannot deny that what we're doing is speculative evolution. You also do indeed appear guilty of above as well, thought this for wikia staff to determine. Community don't serve the admins, the admins serve us.
Many of these projects exceed the standards set by real works like After Man and The Future is Wild. To be fair, the only "real" spec evo project that exceeds the standards of projects on this wiki is the Speculative Dinosaur Project.
You know, this place to my knowledge is the child of the forum. Looking back from the time in the early years of the wiki: it was (and should be is) supposed to be for legimate projects from the forum, spec evo books and documentries and guides. It is spec evo, although most project here have implausible creations. On the forum most of these projects would be highly critisized (an example is the "alt cretaceous" project).
Perhaps on the main page of a project there should be a template saying that the project is made be wiki members? Plus, the category "Projects" and the bottom of these pages identifies them as being created on the wiki.
It came to be completely independantly. Again, call it evolution. There is no other place on the internet of this quality (Or at all really.) to discuss and do spec evo in a non-forum environment. You plan to abondone the lace anyway, Admantus, so why put so much control over us?
The problem is that you guys made is evolve, against what the admins said. Places like wikis aren't meant to evolve, just update. The problem is that this place isn't of best quality to make spec evo projects. I've seen implausible things here that the forum would go batshit over. Even the spec-evo community of DeviantArt makes more plausible things. This place is meant to be, what it says, a wiki of famous speculative evolution projects. This ranges from Dougal Dixons books, to projects made by forum members. Don't try to pull a guilt trip on us.
Admantus has every right to say no to the recent things.
If you don't like the forum environment, this place is not meant for you. This place is the "Official Speculative Evolution Wiki; made by forum members for forum members and people to learn about the subject"
I don't see mainstream in the title. I Again, if the place is desitned for abandonment, why stop such a mouvement? Admantus doesn't have right to purge a wiki against community will, and you seem to misunderstand that.
Despite what you think, YOU are the one being stuborn. Seems to all make sense I never seemed to like you. In your honest opinion, how good or bad is my Tylopoda page from Modern Oligocene, in perspective of spec evo quality?
No, he didn't create the wiki. It was founded in 2008, he joined in 2013, as did Citrakayah. I've not yet made any more accounts, nor directly stated that I will. Admantus has definitively brocken the TOS however.
""Abuse, harass, threaten or intimidate other Wikia users;" and "interfere or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site" both seem to be broken here..." Clearly you don't have to full picture, wiki contributer, so stop acting like you do.
He didn't harass or threaten anybody with violence though. And he's trying to fix the proper working of the wiki, although that means interferment. That happened when him and a few other members gotten rid of the junk, and that's similar to now.
Also, I do have a full picture of this. I find it ironic that you call me 'wiki contributer', even though that's what you are as well.
Ok everyone, chill the fuck out! Everybodies letting this nonsense get to their heads, and you all need to take a step back, and take a deep breath in.
So, if Admantus wants to do his little "purge" of material that is cluttering up this wiki or is going against whatever the hell it was founded on, I believe he is fully within his rights to do so as an admin (that does not say that I agree with what he is doing).
However, I say that if people want to create their own individual or group evolutionary projects, they should go to (or create) a new wiki or forum seperate from this one, import all the projects currently on this wiki, and delete them so Speculative Evolution can focus on (group) projects and "official" speculative evolution or whatever the hell the admins want to do with this place, and the new one can focus on personal projects.
he word violence wasn't in that quote. Besides, I think the target is the more prevolent opinion when the words "Harass, Intimidate, and threaten" are involed. "...or activities condcted on the site", was more what I was getting at.
That's because my account is currently blocked; I have an identity on this wiki.
I think MagneticHyena's suggestion is the best one for you guys.
The problem is that when "Harass, intimidate and threaten" are used, they are used in a legal way. For harassment, it would be either literally hurting someone without concent, or verbal harassment, while is the same but with words. Admantus hasn't done that.
Intimidatation is one that he didn't do either. He didn't say he would use his adminship to delete things, and said he will do it whatever he wants and that being an admin is being a god on this website.
As for threaten, he didn't do that either. He never said "I will delete with thread if you don't" or "I will delete this!" and wait for your response and may or may not delete that thing.
Marcello, I've been on here longer than you have, and when Citra, Eotyrannus, and myself came here, we wanted to make this site an archive for official and well known projects that everyone could view. However, Citra decided to flesh out future of the world, which was a big mistake on his part.
You've only been on the wiki for say, a month? So you know nothing.
Three months, actually. And that entire time, most people on the wiki were helping out with projects. I seriously did not know (nor did most other people) that the original intent was to have only real spec evo projects.
He's been on for several months, and in that time you gave the impression you and citra were done with this wiki. Also, if he did flesh out FoTW, then he clearly didn't have a problem with our current way of managing the place. With such a timeline you can hardly be surprised that this wiki is going the direction it is.
Admantus, if you want to remove all projects from the wiki, then at least temporarily undelete the good pages, so we can copy them over to the new wiki. Really, it seems like you may be the only one left on the wiki.
Marcello27 wrote: The second one he did indeed break. On multiple occaisions, he called non-admins things like "mere mortals". Thus, he sees himself as all-powerful on the website and indimidates others with that.
I think that's a joke, no one talks like that seriously. I seriously doubt he thinks of himself as immortal.
Here's what: undelete African Black Iguana, Auster (Terra Chordata), Moonlion, and all Future of The World pages. Everything else seems not to be deleted. Ibexgod, did I miss anything? Deletion log is here.
Weird mutations reactivated the legs gene. Although the endothermy thing might not be necessary.
We are probably going to create a new wiki for personal projects. However, at least I will stay on this wiki to work on actual projects, especially the After Man articles. Those articles are mostly short and are categorized as stubs.
It may take a while to fully create the new wiki, so we will notify you when a page has been transferred.
You know that's an extremely rare event, and when it happends the leg is useless and does nothing? You would also have to reacticate the pelvis genes and the genes that control the muscles. Like you said, it would be a lot more plausible for varanids to replace it. Although the iguana part of the name seems a bit silly.
As the guy who actually is the original administrator, I'd like to make a few comments.
1. Admantus, you're reading as a neckbeard. You might want to modify your tone a bit.
2. Purpose three is indeed a valid purpose of this site. However, quality control exists. Admantus is incorrect to say that people are being "misled" by... inserting a project into the wiki. It clearly exists, otherwise it would have no pages.
There are projects here that are quite good--Silent Skies, for instance--and a community project is easier on a site like this where multiple people can edit a single page.
3. This isn't a democracy, and it never has been. Indeed, pretty much no Wiki site is anything but an oligarchy; the way the software works simply doesn't support a democratic system. Indeed, once someone is given bureaucrat status, it can't be removed.
It is possible, of course, to vote on decisions. But then you have to have criteria for voting (obviously you don't want people registering specifically to vote), and the people at the top have to be willing to carry out the will of the userbase. Most importantly, however, you must understand that sometimes people are stupid... and sometimes the users will make a decision that is foolish.
There's also no mechanism that can be used to force an entrenched power structure out, short of hacking the site. Which would get the new regime kicked out and the old one placed back in, as well as lose the new one any popularity.
4. On the subject of quality control... as it is, unregistered people can edit pages, and any random person can register, start editing pages, and screwing everything up. We tried to teach you guys, but by and large, it. Did. Not. Work. That's why I left in the first place, I got tired of trying to constantly improve poor projects without any help, and with other people constantly eroding at my efforts. I don't have that kind of time.
Remember, one of the strengths of the wiki format is that multiple people can edit a single page. However, if we do not institute quality control, the project will degrade. While some sites can manage, they have several advantages.
First, they have a greater number of qualified individuals--and a greater ratio, as well. That makes the job a lot easier.
Second, they have clear guidelines. For instance, Wikipedia. You can easily tell if a new edit is poor by looking at the sources, or the wording. In contrast, speculative evolution is a great deal harder; it's basically collaborative art. A single person can screw it up a lot more.
Hallelujah, the great one has returned! Seriously though, are you saying that the entire move of the projects and scenarios to the new wiki was completely pointless, and that individual projects are allowed? That just made an entire days work go down the drain, but since you don't work at the wiki at all anymore, I'm not sure what Admantus' official policy on this will be when he hops back online, so we'll probably wait till then to see if the scenarios stay or go, because in the end, it appears to be his word.
Well, two of mine (southeast Asian swamp and Australian continent), one of yours (Sierra Madres), and a few from Future of The World (Madagascar, South America, and Arctic muntjac). Also, the collective universe project. I am in the process of restoring some, although now that I look at it not all articles (like the snark, which I kept deleted) were of good quality.