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  • WHY ARE YOU BLOCKING EVERYONE? IS THIS A PROTEST? 

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    • This is not a protest.


      It is the Purge.

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    • Admantus, are you trying to recreate the wiki or leave it for dead? I believe everyone on the wiki much prefers the former.

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    • Definition of purge: "An abrupt or violent removal of a group of people from an organization or place.". There is no reason to do this. You don't have to stay. Citrakayah can leave this place to its fate. You guys don't have to make anybody admins. But just let us continue life on this wiki, with or without you.

      --Ibexgod

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    • Why do you want to get rid of this place? People still use and love this place.

      Surely if Wikia were contacted about a purge against community will they would be against this.

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    • I'm pretty sure this goes against wikia terms of use. Which is here for reference: http://www.wikia.com/Terms_of_Use

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    • "Abuse, harass, threaten or intimidate other Wikia users;" and "interfere or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site" both seem to be broken here, thought the latter is more important to the issue at hand. So yes, Wikia would support us should they be contacted.

      --Ibexgod

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    • Mostly the second one, the first one won't help our case, but still applies.

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    • Hmm... this really is like politics; Admantus and Citrakayah ran this site like kings, a monarchy of sorts; we are the people demanding change to a democratic "gouvernment".

      --Ibexgod

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    • Technically an oligarchy, but I see where you're coming from. This government is progressing a lot like ancient Greece, if you know much about that.

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    • In ancient Greece, the monarchy (in this case Proxima Centauri) was the first government in a city-state, followed by oligarchy (Admantus, Citrakayah, and Eotyrannus). In ancient Greece, good tyrants (me) took over the oligarchy, but the oligarchs (Admantus and Citrakayah) demanded their power back. After this, we are heading to the last phase of ancient Greek government (at least in Athens), the democracy.

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    • Yeah, I new about the Tyrant to Democracy phase at least.

      --Ibexgod

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    • Citrakayah was more like president. And Admantus was dictactor.

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    • Don't be mean. Citrakayah has nothing to do with this shit.

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    • Not much… although he refused to give admin to the new users. Now we're trying to prove that Admantus violated the terms of use. I can't blame Citrakayah for anything, however.

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    • He's a nicer tyrant, but keep in mind that "tyrant" in this sense is a oligarchic leader, not the usual common usage of the term.

      --Ibexgod

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    • I believe the correct definition of tyrant is a single ruler who seizes power from others.

      Are we going to report Admantus?

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    • True, but keep in mind this comparison was with greek tyrants, not the modern definiton.

      Yes, and there's no reason to wait three days for this.

      --Ibexgod

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    • Okay, I think there's a place to file a complaint. I tried it for the troll, but he had too many IP addresses and accounts.

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    • Almost certainly something somewhere to do sutff like this. And if not (Or you can't find it, I have trouble navigating communtiy central myself...) you could always simply contact them.

      --Ibexgod

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    • I already contacted them.

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    • lol

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    • Are you denying that any of the above is true?

      --Ibexgod

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    • Are you all getting mad because I'm not letting you do your "projects" here? 


      Seriously, grow up. The wiki is meant to be about legitimate and official projects and helpful guides on making species, not group scenarios where nobody does anything.

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    • You have all had a warped sense of what this wiki is about.

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    • Now you're saying that you can't create your own project on the wiki? It's been that way for a long time, and the point of the wiki is to write articles about three things:

      1. Evolutionary biology
      2. Actual spec evo projects
      3. Your own spec evo projects – provided they are good quality
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    • No, you're right on the first two things. The third thing however, is incorrect. 

      On the forums, this wiki is infamous for its own projects. 

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    • Depending on how you look at it, it is about speculative evolution. And you cannot deny that what we're doing is speculative evolution. You also do indeed appear guilty of above as well, thought this for wikia staff to determine. Community don't serve the admins, the admins serve us.

      --Ibexgod

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    • Many of these projects exceed the standards set by real works like After Man and The Future is Wild. To be fair, the only "real" spec evo project that exceeds the standards of projects on this wiki is the Speculative Dinosaur Project.

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    • Yeah but it's out of place here. If you want to make a project, do it on a forum. A wiki is no place to make a project, as it can mislead people. 

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    • Also, how do you know what "DarwinSong" originally ment this wiki to be about? Call the changes in how the place works "Evolution"

      --Ibexgod

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    • You know, this place to my knowledge is the child of the forum. Looking back from the time in the early years of the wiki: it was (and should be is) supposed to be for legimate projects from the forum, spec evo books and documentries and guides. It is spec evo, although most project here have implausible creations. On the forum most of these projects would be highly critisized (an example is the "alt cretaceous" project). 

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    • Perhaps on the main page of a project there should be a template saying that the project is made be wiki members? Plus, the category "Projects" and the bottom of these pages identifies them as being created on the wiki.

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    • It came to be completely independantly. Again, call it evolution. There is no other place on the internet of this quality (Or at all really.) to discuss and do spec evo in a non-forum environment. You plan to abondone the lace anyway, Admantus, so why put so much control over us?

      --Ibexgod

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    • Admantus just deleted Future of The World! He has to get banned.

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    • no

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    • It's one of the best projects on this wiki! You have to be kidding me.

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    • Now he deleted Auster! That's two featured articles deleted today!

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    • There is no reason to do this. No matter what you do, the rains will come.

      --Ibexgod

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    • This is a message to you mere mortals.


      Go. Leave this place. Create a zetaboards forum and make a home there, for there is nothing for you here.

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    • There is no way that you will not be banned. You clrealy violated two parts of the Terms of Use.

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    • The problem is that you guys made is evolve, against what the admins said. Places like wikis aren't meant to evolve, just update. The problem is that this place isn't of best quality to make spec evo projects. I've seen implausible things here that the forum would go batshit over. Even the spec-evo community of DeviantArt makes more plausible things. This place is meant to be, what it says, a wiki of famous speculative evolution projects. This ranges from Dougal Dixons books, to projects made by forum members. Don't try to pull a guilt trip on us.

      Admantus has every right to say no to the recent things. 

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    • You clearly missed the message of "We don't want a forum environment". The rains will come. Concavenator could still ban you. Have hope. Don't give up.

      --Ibexgod

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    • yeah, no. He's on the forums as well, and he is a vital member of maintaining the guides here.

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    • But going by Wikia rules, he doesnt have the right to go against communtiy will, or break the terms of use.

      --Ibexgod

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    • If you don't like the forum environment, this place is not meant for you. This place is the "Official Speculative Evolution Wiki; made by forum members for forum members and people to learn about the subject"

      You don't like it, make your own wiki.

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    • You will not get rid of me, the wiki, or its will. For now, for probablility of getting banned, I advise all wiki members tomake account on the forums and use the same usernames as we have here.

      --Ibexgod

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    • I don't see mainstream in the title. I Again, if the place is desitned for abandonment, why stop such a mouvement? Admantus doesn't have right to purge a wiki against community will, and you seem to misunderstand that.

      --Ibexgod

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    • Why fight against it? This place desperately needed to be purged, so why not make your own site?

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    • You know making several accounts breaks the TOS, right?

      Several members, including Admantus made the wiki. He has the right to say what's-what.

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    • Despite what you think, YOU are the one being stuborn. Seems to all make sense I never seemed to like you. In your honest opinion, how good or bad is my Tylopoda page from Modern Oligocene, in perspective of spec evo quality?

      --Ibexgod

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    • ^he speaks the truth

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    • No, he didn't create the wiki. It was founded in 2008, he joined in 2013, as did Citrakayah. I've not yet made any more accounts, nor directly stated that I will. Admantus has definitively brocken the TOS however.

      --Ibexgod

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    • No I didn't "brock" the TOS

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    • Broke. Breaking the TOS is not a laughing matter. Again, I kindly ask you to rate my Tylopods from MO.

      --Ibexgod

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    • How did he break TOS though, explain that too me?

      It's true he didn't make the wiki, although he was one of the people who gotten rid of 90% of the crap on the wiki. Without him this place would still be pure garbage.

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    • Indeed. I still don't get why you're so hellbent on staying here.

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    • ""Abuse, harass, threaten or intimidate other Wikia users;" and "interfere or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site" both seem to be broken here..." Clearly you don't have to full picture, wiki contributer, so stop acting like you do.

      --Ibexgod

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    • Because this entire "Purge" thing is stupid.

      --Ibexgod

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    • He didn't harass or threaten anybody with violence though. And he's trying to fix the proper working of the wiki, although that means interferment. That happened when him and a few other members gotten rid of the junk, and that's similar to now.

      Also, I do have a full picture of this. I find it ironic that you call me 'wiki contributer', even though that's what you are as well. 

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    • Ok everyone, chill the fuck out! Everybodies letting this nonsense get to their heads, and you all need to take a step back, and take a deep breath in.

      So, if Admantus wants to do his little "purge" of material that is cluttering up this wiki or is going against whatever the hell it was founded on, I believe he is fully within his rights to do so as an admin (that does not say that I agree with what he is doing).

      However, I say that if people want to create their own individual or group evolutionary projects, they should go to (or create) a new wiki or forum seperate from this one, import all the projects currently on this wiki, and delete them so Speculative Evolution can focus on (group) projects and "official" speculative evolution or whatever the hell the admins want to do with this place, and the new one can focus on personal projects.

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    • he word violence wasn't in that quote. Besides, I think the target is the more prevolent opinion when the words "Harass, Intimidate, and threaten" are involed. "...or activities condcted on the site", was more what I was getting at.

      That's because my account is currently blocked; I have an identity on this wiki.

      --Ibexgod

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    • Random wiki contributor, you know nothing of this wiki. If you were paying attention to the situation, you would have noticed that Admantus is in fact violating the Terms of Use, and is deleting well-written pages, including two featured articles.

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    • I think MagneticHyena's suggestion is the best one for you guys.

      The problem is that when "Harass, intimidate and threaten" are used, they are used in a legal way. For harassment, it would be either literally hurting someone without concent, or verbal harassment, while is the same but with words. Admantus hasn't done that. 

      Intimidatation is one that he didn't do either. He didn't say he would use his adminship to delete things, and said he will do it whatever he wants and that being an admin is being a god on this website. 

      As for threaten, he didn't do that either. He never said "I will delete with thread if you don't" or "I will delete this!" and wait for your response and may or may not delete that thing. 

      You have nothing to base off of. 

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    • The second one he did indeed break. On multiple occaisions, he called non-admins things like "mere mortals". Thus, he sees himself as all-powerful on the website and indimidates others with that.

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    • Marcello27 wrote:
      Random wiki contributor, you know nothing of this wiki. If you were paying attention to the situation, you would have noticed that Admantus is in fact violating the Terms of Use, and is deleting well-written pages, including two featured articles.

      Marcello, I've been on here longer than you have, and when Citra, Eotyrannus, and myself came here, we wanted to make this site an archive for official and well known projects that everyone could view. However, Citra decided to flesh out future of the world, which was a big mistake on his part.


      You've only been on the wiki for say, a month? So you know nothing.

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    • Three months, actually. And that entire time, most people on the wiki were helping out with projects. I seriously did not know (nor did most other people) that the original intent was to have only real spec evo projects.

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    • He's been on for several months, and in that time you gave the impression you and citra were done with this wiki. Also, if he did flesh out FoTW, then he clearly didn't have a problem with our current way of managing the place. With such a timeline you can hardly be surprised that this wiki is going the direction it is.

      --Ibexgod

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    • Admantus, if you want to remove all projects from the wiki, then at least temporarily undelete the good pages, so we can copy them over to the new wiki. Really, it seems like you may be the only one left on the wiki.

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    • Note: I'd say only to copy the main Story of Life page.

      --Ibexgod

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    • Oh, and all the Creatures.

      --Ibexgod

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    • Marcello27 wrote:
      The second one he did indeed break. On multiple occaisions, he called non-admins things like "mere mortals". Thus, he sees himself as all-powerful on the website and indimidates others with that.

      I think that's a joke, no one talks like that seriously. I seriously doubt he thinks of himself as immortal. 

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    • Here's what: undelete African Black Iguana, Auster (Terra Chordata), Moonlion, and all Future of The World pages. Everything else seems not to be deleted. Ibexgod, did I miss anything? Deletion log is here.

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    • He did however break the rule of Messing with Activity done on the wiki.

      --Ibexgod

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    • Yes, he broke that if he didn't break the first rule.

      Admantus, I believe there are also New Pleistocene pages to undelete, but not all of them are plausible. So it's your call which to undelete.

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    • Admantus
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    • In order to stop chaos, you need to interupt it. That's a given.

      As for the other comment. I think the African black iguana is insanely implausible, and probably not worth keeping. But that's my opinion though.

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    • I agree. I would think a derived varanid would be a better fit, seeing as they have both legs and venom.

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    • Legs isn't a problem, as we've explained multiple times before. But I won't deny that a varanid is more plausible. That habitat is under revision anyway.

      --Ibexgod

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    • Also, do you have another site where you can put these articles?

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    • Weird mutations reactivated the legs gene. Although the endothermy thing might not be necessary.

      We are probably going to create a new wiki for personal projects. However, at least I will stay on this wiki to work on actual projects, especially the After Man articles. Those articles are mostly short and are categorized as stubs.

      It may take a while to fully create the new wiki, so we will notify you when a page has been transferred.

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    • If all else fails you can make a zetaboards forum. That is easy to make as well.

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    • On second thought Indonesia from Sol is good enough quality.

      --Ibexgod

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    • Who's going to be creating the new wiki though? Marcello?

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    • The legs are some of the most plausible things in the animal. It has no reason to evolve endothermy, and there are many more plausible ancestors than a snake.

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    • MHyaena: That's what we're trying to figure out.

      --Ibexgod

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    • Not sure. Probably me, although KaptainWombat or you could do it. KaptainWombat is in a completely different time zone, and we need it created somewhat quickly, so the best options are me or you.

      We're going to run it like a democracy, though, so most people who start the wiki will be admins, and about 50% of them will be bureaucrats.

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    • "Weird mutations reactivating the leg genes"

      You know that's an extremely rare event, and when it happends the leg is useless and does nothing? You would also have to reacticate the pelvis genes and the genes that control the muscles. Like you said, it would be a lot more plausible for varanids to replace it. Although the iguana part of the name seems a bit silly.

      But this is a bit off-topic though.

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    • I think you should seriously create the new wiki, to avoid all confusion; you seem to be one of the more experienced users on SpecEvo.

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    • Marcello, KW, and MHYaena would be Bureaucratic.

      --Ibexgod

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    • Okay, I will create the wiki in about an hour, I have things to do and places to be!

      Yes, and you will be a bureaucrat when you create a new account. If Concavenator wants to join, he can be bureaucrat, but he mostly contributes to things that would be kept on this wiki.

      Harekiller and maybe Whanggoldpaw will be non-bureaucratic admins.

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    • The new wiki is at http://spec-evo.wikia.com.

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    • Ok then, I guess we could start moving over all the projects that are required then, then deleting them from this wiki.

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    • As the guy who actually is the original administrator, I'd like to make a few comments.

      1. Admantus, you're reading as a neckbeard. You might want to modify your tone a bit.

      2. Purpose three is indeed a valid purpose of this site. However, quality control exists. Admantus is incorrect to say that people are being "misled" by... inserting a project into the wiki. It clearly exists, otherwise it would have no pages.

      There are projects here that are quite good--Silent Skies, for instance--and a community project is easier on a site like this where multiple people can edit a single page.

      3. This isn't a democracy, and it never has been. Indeed, pretty much no Wiki site is anything but an oligarchy; the way the software works simply doesn't support a democratic system. Indeed, once someone is given bureaucrat status, it can't be removed.

      It is possible, of course, to vote on decisions. But then you have to have criteria for voting (obviously you don't want people registering specifically to vote), and the people at the top have to be willing to carry out the will of the userbase. Most importantly, however, you must understand that sometimes people are stupid... and sometimes the users will make a decision that is foolish.

      There's also no mechanism that can be used to force an entrenched power structure out, short of hacking the site. Which would get the new regime kicked out and the old one placed back in, as well as lose the new one any popularity.

      4. On the subject of quality control... as it is, unregistered people can edit pages, and any random person can register, start editing pages, and screwing everything up. We tried to teach you guys, but by and large, it. Did. Not. Work. That's why I left in the first place, I got tired of trying to constantly improve poor projects without any help, and with other people constantly eroding at my efforts. I don't have that kind of time.

      Remember, one of the strengths of the wiki format is that multiple people can edit a single page. However, if we do not institute quality control, the project will degrade. While some sites can manage, they have several advantages.

      First, they have a greater number of qualified individuals--and a greater ratio, as well. That makes the job a lot easier.

      Second, they have clear guidelines. For instance, Wikipedia. You can easily tell if a new edit is poor by looking at the sources, or the wording. In contrast, speculative evolution is a great deal harder; it's basically collaborative art. A single person can screw it up a lot more.

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    • Hallelujah, the great one has returned! Seriously though, are you saying that the entire move of the projects and scenarios to the new wiki was completely pointless, and that individual projects are allowed? That just made an entire days work go down the drain, but since you don't work at the wiki at all anymore, I'm not sure what Admantus' official policy on this will be when he hops back online, so we'll probably wait till then to see if the scenarios stay or go, because in the end, it appears to be his word.

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    • I think the new wiki will help fix two things: categories, and separating good projects from bad ones. Plus, I do not want to get into yet another fight with Admantus. 

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    • Well the problem is that most of the projects here are really bad... so most of them honestly should be deleted, if we're trying to keep the wiki high-quality.

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    • So which projects on the "Projects" bar at the top of the site are particularly bad? Ignoring Alt Cretaceous and Story of Life.

      --Ibexgod

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    • Or perhaps a better question, which are the best? In particular I would like to know your opinion on The Modern Oligocene, and my Tylopod page for it

      --Ibexgod

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    • "Democracy" used in quotes. Perhaps communsim gone right would be a better comparison? No, definetly not....

      --Ibexgod

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    • A FANDOM user
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